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At this point I really think you're debating just for the sake of debating. You cannot possibly believe the statements you're writing. If you do, you are very ignorant and naive.

Within that quote I never mentioned anything about them being compliant. A fleeing suspect is NOT a compliant one. Secondly, nowhere in there did I specifically mention about them being shoot in the back, my limit was being shot. The very limited parameters where:

1. Unarmed fleeing suspect.
2. Shooting by officer who thought they saw a weapon.
3. Suspension or Reassigment of the Officer who made the shot.

You've expanded the topic by adding other stuff thoughout about the suspects, which does not fall within the limited outline stated above or in my initial statement. Through your expansion I provided links to other shootings of non-blacks who where being compliant and were still shot. Some of the links where within the past month with the initial statements by police stating that the fleeing suspects were unarmed.

Would you have us believe, that if you where "accidently" shot by an officer, that you would be willing to dismiss it or that you deserved it?

Even so, you debated so hard that you agreed with my earlier statements.

[quote="root"]So what have we learned today, children?

1. Don't fumble around in front of men with guns.
[b]2. If you run from cops, you increase your chances of getting shot. [/b]
[quote="nyc"][b][color=red]If this was a black dude, with a van full o'weed and [u]was running away.. he wouldve been shot[/u][/color][/b][/quote]
3. If you do run and get cornered, put your hands on your head slowly and lay down face on the ground. Don't resist.
4.[b] Jury's acquit cops if the cops say the perp they were chasing, or had cornered, "was reaching for what looked like a gun[/b]".
[quote="nyc"][b][color=red]many officers have gotten a pass because they "thought" they saw a gun[/color]
For clarity
[quote="The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000"]
PASS: To undergo an examination or a trial with favorable results. [/quote]
Certainly an acquital is a favorable result, is it not?
[/b][/quote]
[/quote]


[quote="nyc"]True, but how many officers have gotten a pass because they "thought" they saw a gun. How many blacks have been killed because the police "thought" the suspect, though fleeing, was armed.

Sure its illegal, but most officers get a suspension and are reassigned, usually to a different precinct.

If this was a black dude, with a van full o'weed and was running away.. he wouldve been shot, and it wouldve been somehow justified.[/quote]
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Here is the earlier video link and another of a suspect under control who almost caught one in the head
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8770396702332615729&q=police+shooting&hl=en

http://grouper.com/video/MediaDetails.aspx?id=1607410
Thu Jan 25, 2007 7:11 am View user's profile Find all posts by nyc_godfather Send private message
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You specify parameters now so that you can modify what you already said. Why don't you quote what you posted. Nevermind, allow me.

[quote="nyc_godfather"][quote="US Attorney Sutton"]It is shocking that there are people who believe it is OK for agents to shoot an unarmed suspect who is running away." [/quote]
Yet when this happens in [size=24][color=red]black [/color][/size]communities, the police are just "following their training"[/quote]

Police training hardly says it's ok to shoot unarmed suspects who are running away, while in black communities. Don't blame me... you said this shit.

[quote="nyc_godfather"]True, but how many officers have gotten a pass because they "thought" they saw a gun. [/quote]

Prolly a lot. Police arent required to wait for the gun to be pointed at them before they use force. Five of the 12 links you posted included fumblers. People who fumble in front of cops with guns pointed at them are gonna get shot. It doesn't matter if no weapon is discovered later.

[quote="nyc_godfather"]How many [size=24][color=red]blacks [/color][/size]have been killed because the police "thought" the suspect, though fleeing, was armed. [/quote]

Firstly, fleeing doesn't mean non-dangerous. Also, let's see how your links answer this question.

Accounts Differ In Shooting of Unarmed Man
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/16/AR2007011601413.html
Perp shot "towards his side". Thus fleeing perp may have been turning around.

Deputy Fired, No Jail Time
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/local/states/florida/counties/broward_county/16515433.htm
Gun "accidentally discharged" (not disputed in article) while attempting to restrain [size=24]"Gómez", who is not black[/size].

Questions linger after unarmed man is killed
http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/news/local/16462892.htm
Walked outside in middle of gun fight and got shoot.

Columbus settles with survivors in police shooting case
http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/ap_newfullstory.asp?ID=86121
Details around shooting not in link. No other link provided.

Suit filed over fatal police shooting
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/states/pennsylvania/counties/chester_county/16422754.htm
Fumbler shot in the chest.

OAKLAND POLICE SHOOTING VICTIM REMAINS CRITICAL
http://cbs5.com/localwire/localfsnews/bcn/2007/01/16/n/HeadlineNews/POLICE-SHOOTING/resources_bcn_html
Article published one day after event. No conclusion provided, obviously.

A Tragedy of Errors (this one is great because of the official statement)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/19/AR2007011901464.html
Still pending DoJ probe. [size=24]Also, victim "Salvatore J. Culosi" ISN'T BLACK!!!![/size]
Here's a pic of his family: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/24/AR2006032401873.html

Iowa deputy acquitted of manslaughter after shooting unarmed driver
http://www.courttv.com/trials/butler/061705_verdict_ctv.html
Fumbler shot, most likely in the side of the head. [size=24]Also, none of a couple articles on the web about victim "William Jens" says he's black. LOL[/size]

Officers acquitted of all charges in Diallo shooting
http://www.courttv.com/archive/national/diallo/022500_verdict_ctv.html
Fumbler reaching into pockets.

Officer Acquitted in Ohio Shooting
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2001/09/10843_comment.php
Perp, with 14 warrants for his arrest, fumbles in dark alley.

Jurors Acquit California Narc Who Killed Rudy Cardenas in Mistaken Chase
http://november.org/stayinfo/breaking3/CardenasAcquit.html
Man shot in the back but vicitm [size=24]"Rudy Cardenas" is not black. LOL[/size]

Caught in the Act!
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/01/national/main1271571.shtml
Article doesn't tell you what happened to the cop. Still pending. [size=24]Plus Elio Carrion isn't black. LOL[/size]
Here's a video of Elio: http://www.aztlan.net/elio_and_marisela_say_thanks.htm

Cop acquitted in killing of unarmed potato carrier
http://www.unknownnews.org/050503stinkybadges.html
Fumbler reaches into car during cop stop. [size=24]Also, none of several articles on the web about victim "John Eric Henderson" says he's black. LOL[/size]

[color=red][size=24]Before you respond, please acknowledge that your tried to support your posted comments about police action against blacks with articles about non-blacks. Also, before you post another link, please read the fucking article first!!! LOL LOL LOL[/size][/color]

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Youre an idiot an you've wasted enough time.

You agreed with me, unintentionally, sad but true.

Again..Would you have us believe, that if you where "accidently" shot by an officer, that you would be willing to dismiss it or that you deserved it?
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[quote="nyc_godfather"]Youre an idiot an you've wasted enough time.

You agreed with me, unintentionally, sad but true.

Again..Would you have us believe, that if you where "accidently" shot by an officer, that you would be willing to dismiss it or that you deserved it?[/quote]

You did not acknowledge that you tried to support posted comments about police action against blacks with articles about non-blacks. Just admit you posted links without readng them and let's move on. Laughing Laughing Laughing

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Again..Would you have us believe, that if you where "accidently" shot by an officer, that you would be willing to dismiss it or that you deserved it?
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[quote="nyc_godfather"]Again..Would you have us believe, that if you where "accidently" shot by an officer, that you would be willing to dismiss it or that you deserved it?[/quote]

Please acknowledge that your tried to support your posted comments about police action against blacks with articles about non-blacks and I'll answer your question.

Thank you.

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[quote="root"][quote="nyc_godfather"]Youre an idiot an you've wasted enough time.

You agreed with me, unintentionally, sad but true.

Again..Would you have us believe, that if you where "accidently" shot by an officer, that you would be willing to dismiss it or that you deserved it?[/quote]

You did not acknowledge that you tried to support posted comments about police action against blacks with articles about non-blacks. Just admit you posted links without readng them and let's move on. [/quote]

Did I not say:

[quote="nyc"]You've expanded the topic by adding other stuff thoughout about the suspects, which does not fall within the limited outline stated above or in my initial statement. [size=24][b]Through your expansion I provided links to other shootings of non-blacks who where being compliant and were still shot.[/b][/size] Some of the links where within the past month with the initial statements by police stating that the fleeing suspects were unarmed.[/quote]

Would the word [b]minority[/b] help you?
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[size=24][b]Again..Would you have us believe, that if you where "accidently" shot by an officer, that you would be willing to dismiss it or that you deserved it?[/size][/color][/b]I've asked you this three times now and still you havent answered. Rolling Eyes


I just cannot believe you're going in circles over semantics, but anyway, you agreed with my assesment Very Happy
[quote="root"]So what have we learned today, children?

1. Don't fumble around in front of men with guns.
[b]2. If you run from cops, you increase your chances of getting shot. [/b]
[quote="nyc"][b][color=red]If this was a black dude, with a van full o'weed and [u]was running away.. he wouldve been shot[/u][/color][/b][/quote]
3. If you do run and get cornered, put your hands on your head slowly and lay down face on the ground. Don't resist.
4.[b] Jury's acquit cops if the cops say the perp they were chasing, or had cornered, "was reaching for what looked like a gun[/b]".
[quote="nyc"][b][color=red]many officers have gotten a pass because they "thought" they saw a gun[/color]
For clarity
[quote="The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000"]
PASS: To undergo an examination or a trial with favorable results. [/quote]
Certainly an acquital is a favorable result, is it not?
[/b][/quote]
[/quote]

Just let it go.. you lost this one Laughing [img]http://www.uptoparr.com/phpbb/images/smiles/24.gif[/img][img]http://www.uptoparr.com/phpbb/images/smiles/boreme.gif[/img]

Now answer my friggin question [img]http://www.uptoparr.com/phpbb/images/smiles/icon_slap.gif[/img]
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[quote]Would the word minority help you? [/quote]

No.

1. You said "Blacks", not minorities.
2. John Eric Henderson, William Jens, and Salvatore J. Culosi aren't minorities as far as we know.

[color=red][size=24]Please acknowledge that your tried to support your posted comments about police action against blacks with articles about non-blacks and I'll answer your question.

Thank you. [/size][/color]

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[quote="root"][quote]Would the word minority help you? [/quote]

No.

1. You said "Blacks", not minorities.
2. John Eric Henderson, William Jens, and Salvatore J. Culosi aren't minorities as far as we know.

[color=red][size=24]Please acknowledge that your tried to support your posted comments about police action against blacks with articles about non-blacks and I'll answer your question.

Thank you. [/size][/color][/quote]

[b][size=24]In addition to Blacks, other fleeing minority suspects are also shot at, sometimes killed.
So no. it doesn't just happen to Blacks. [/size][/b]

[url]http://www.sierratimes.com/03/06/10/whacknstack.htm[/url]

[quote]Whack'em & Stack'em: Why Race Matters
Report by J.J. Johnson
East Chattanooga, Tennessee - What we find most interesting about Whack & Stack is how readers perceive the attitude of the author once the victim's race is mentioned. You either have to be biased against blacks or whites in order to even report on the latest state-sponsored execution. That is not the case, and we felt it best to warn you before reading this next one. When it comes to this lethal trade - race actually does matter. Read on.
John Eric Henderson, age 32 and father of one, was just one more example of a person who didn't want to live anymore, and felt it better to allow the police to do the honors. This was another "routine traffic stop". Surely, you - the innocent reader- have never been asked for information by the police when stopped, and you certainly wouldn't place such information in your glove compartment, or have a reason to reach inside.

Would you?

Unfortunately, Henderson made this fatal mistake. But this is not the official version, mind you.

The officer who pulled Henderson over, Christopher Gaynor hadn't killed anyone all day. Henderson had a loud muffler on his old, rusty Pontiac T1000, so duty called.

The Whack

According to Chattanooga Police Department Chief Jimmie Dobson, after the stop it was found that the license plate on the car did not match the vehicle. But earlier reports said Henderson did not stop. Conflicting reports are common among whack & stacks, but never let that cause you to have any sympathy for the victim or outrage toward police.

The police line goes like this: "Henderson got out of his car, walked around to the passenger side, there was an argument and then for some reason, knowing full well that hands are already on three triggers, Henderson reached into his glove compartment, followed by the most famous police phrase used in whack & stack reports:

"He was in fear for his life. He thought he was going to die." (Statement of the officer firing the first shot)

At this point, reason, common sense, and Henderson's life are out the window.

Three shots were fired, but police are unsure who fired what. The end result was that Henderson was pronounced whacked at the scene.

The Stack

This one comes gift-wrapped. Henderson had been charged with various crimes, including evading police and resisting arrest. (Read: 'it was bound to happen')

His most recent arrest by the Chattanooga Police Department was by Officer Julie Jacks on April 8, 2000. Her report indicates that Henderson was driving on expired license plates and had no driver's license or any other identification on him when stopped. (Read: 'See - he's a criminal')

Local police mouthpiece (spokesman) Ed Buice said John Eric Henderson was first told to stay IN the car but did not comply. After he had exited the car and began to reach into the passenger window he was told to stay OUT of the car and did not comply." Neat and clean, right?

Problem #1: [b]Markings at the scene show that the Henderson was over eight feet from his car when he was shot,[/b] and no - he didn't play in the NBA.

Problem #2: [b]Henderson was black. The shooter was white.[/b]

Why does race matter? Several reasons. Most important is that the community as a whole, or the police, wouldn't give two cents about any of this if Henderson had been white. This leads us to the other reason race matters. For fear of lawsuits and possible riots, everyone's bending over backwards to make sure things were done by the book. This includes inquires from both the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, and the FBI, to make sure Henderson was killed correctly. Even Internal Affairs wants a crack at this one.

Lawsuits will be filed, and men with Muslim names will scream at press conferences that charges should be filed against the shooter(s). He didn't go as far as to say, "No Justice, No Peace", but you get the drift.

By now, the reader may be wondering if there was even a weapon in the vehicle. "Maybe he actually was reaching for a gun - 8 feet away from the vehicle". If you even suspect the whacked in question had a firearm, you are new to the whack & stack world.

Officials said a bottle of perfume was found in the car along with a screwdriver. A utility knife was in the glove box. Attorney John Wolfe called the John Henderson "a good man." He said he was doing construction on the house where the shooting took place. He told a Chattanooga Internet News Site that tools found in the car were for his construction job. Wolfe has taken up the cause of suing the pants off the Chattanooga PD.

The shooters in question have all been rewarded with a paid vacation, as per union regs. Gaynor, the top shooter, had only been on the street for 4 days. What a way to start a career.

In a hint that whack & stacks are becoming a troubling pattern around the nation, Spokesman Buice said, "What are often referred to as 'routine traffic stops' have ended in death in cities around the nation. Both officers and citizens have been killed." No kidding. But by all accounts here at The Sierra Times, over 95% of all the dead are the citizens, most unarmed, and to the best of our knowledge, only one officer has been charged this year. Of course, shooting an unarmed woman in the back with an infant in the vehicle 'in-the-line-of-duty' is kind of a 'no-brainer'.

A note to the reader: You may have read one or many of the previous Whack'em & Stack'em reports. Many people will immediately conclude that this case is a matter of race, or someone will accuse the author of making this an issue of race. Neither is the case. Our reports have shown the policemen's bullets do not discriminate by race, gender, or even species (dogs, birds and cattle get whacked as well).

Buice also stated that, "Because no one wants any encounter with police to end in a use of force, the Chattanooga PD and NAACP have worked jointly to present a videotape called "The Law and You" to as many audiences as possible, instructing citizens how to interact with police.

Translation: To avoid getting killed over what you may think is a harmless traffic stop, watch this video and you might live to tell about it. And since the NAACP help sponsor this program, you can rest assured it probably wasn't made for white people.

Few raise an eyebrow when a white person is killed by police anyway - probably why it keeps happening.

Still, enough people haven't seen the video, or read the documentation. According to police around the nation, not a day goes by but some fool tries to run over a cop with his car, reach for a weapon (cell phone, pagers, etc.) after the police officer's gun is drawn, charge at a police officer after his gun is drawn, or just put themselves into a position where a 'peace officer' thinks the person might have a weapon, or there is simple noncompliance or misunderstanding of a policemen's order. This has become an all too common price for living in such a free society. America must understand that when we erect a multitude of new offices, and send hither swarms of officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance, we must accept 'collateral damage' from time to time. Remember: "Licensed to Kill" isn't just a James Bond motto anymore.

Such is the price of freedom. Such is the world of Whack'em & Stack'em.

And by the way, Henderson had no firearm.[/quote].

Oh and another one - James Jahar Akbar Perez - is black


[quote]Portland Police shot and killed [b]James Jahar Akbar Perez,[/b] 28, an unarmed African-American man, after pulling him over for failure to signal a turn on Sunday, March 28. Officer Jason Sery (#36878) fired three rounds into Perez' car after a supposed altercation, but witnesses say Perez never even took off his seat belt (KOIN-TV, March 29).[/quote][url]http://www.portlandcopwatch.org/PPR32/shootings32.html[/url]

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[quote]FAIRFAX, Va. - A year after a local optometrist was shot and killed during a SWAT team raid on a gambling operation, a new report finds the force used was not necessary. [/quote]
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[quote="nyc_godfather"][quote="root"][quote]Would the word minority help you? [/quote]

No.

1. You said "Blacks", not minorities.
2. John Eric Henderson, William Jens, and Salvatore J. Culosi aren't minorities as far as we know.

[color=red][size=24]Please acknowledge that you tried to support your posted comments about police action against blacks with articles about non-blacks and I'll answer your question.

Thank you. [/size][/color][/quote]

[b][size=24]In addition to Blacks, other fleeing minority suspects are also shot at, sometimes killed.
So no. it doesn't just happen to Blacks. [/size][/b][/quote]

[color=red][size=24]Please acknowledge that you tried to support your posted comments about police action against blacks with articles about non-blacks and I'll answer your question.

Thank you. [/size][/color]

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[quote="root"][quote]Would the word minority help you? [/quote]

No.

1. You said "Blacks", not minorities.
2. John Eric Henderson, William Jens, and Salvatore J. Culosi aren't minorities as far as we know.

[color=red][size=10]Please acknowledge that your tried to support your posted comments about police action against blacks with articles about non-blacks and I'll answer your question.

Thank you. [/size][/color]

Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing[/quote]

Moron, answer the question already Rolling Eyes
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[quote="nyc_godfather"][quote="root"][quote]Would the word minority help you? [/quote]

No.

1. You said "Blacks", not minorities.
2. John Eric Henderson, William Jens, and Salvatore J. Culosi aren't minorities as far as we know.

[color=red][size=10]Please acknowledge that your tried to support your posted comments about police action against blacks with articles about non-blacks and I'll answer your question.

Thank you. [/size][/color]

Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing[/quote]

Moron, answer the question already Rolling Eyes[/quote]

[color=red]Please acknowledge that your tried to support your posted comments about police action against blacks with articles about non-blacks and I'll answer your question.

Thank you. [/color]

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TOKYO --Japan's leading toilet maker Toto Ltd. is offering free repairs for 180,000 bidet toilets after wiring problems caused several to catch fire, the company said Monday.

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