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[quote][b]2 Border Patrol Agents Turn Themselves in for Shooting Mexican Drug Runner[/b]

Thursday, January 18, 2007

Two Texas Border Patrol agents convicted of shooting a Mexican drug runner in the backside while on duty turned themselves in to U.S. Marshals Wednesday.

There's still no word on whether President Bush will grant them a pardon.

Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean began serving 11- and 12-year prison sentences, respectively, for the February 2005 non-fatal shooting of Osvaldo Aldrete Davila.

Several groups, including Friends of the Border Patrol, The Minutemen and Grassfire.org, have been trying through petitions to keep the agents out of prison — either by a motion to allow them to remain free on bond during an appeal or through a presidential pardon.

U.S. District Judge Kathleen Cardone denied a motion for the two ex-agents to remain free on bond until their appeals on Tuesday.

"This ruling by Judge Cardone is the most disgraceful act that I have ever heard of in the history of our great nation and both she and the prosecutors should be ashamed of themselves for taking the word of a drug smuggler, caught in the act, while ignoring the facts," Friends of the Border Patrol Chairman Andy Ramirez wrote in a statement. "Evidence that would have severely damaged the credibility of the known drug smuggler, and exonerated Compean & Ramos was sealed and suppressed and the attorneys were prevented from mounting a proper defense."

Ramirez said El Paso Border Patrol chiefs Robert Gilbert and Luis Barker and Robert Gilbert have hung their agents out to dry.

"I must remind the public that narcotic traffickers and human smugglers laugh at law enforcement as they know that the Johnny Sutton's of DOJ will not prosecute them, and instead will prosecute officers who do their job and keep that poison off our streets and out of our schools, parks, and neighborhoods," Ramirez wrote.

Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., however, criticized the president for failing to come through with a pardon.

"This is the worst betrayal of American defenders I have ever seen," Rohrabacher said in an interview with WorldNetDaily. "It's shameful this was done by someone who is in the Republican Party. He obviously thinks more about his agreements with Mexico than the lives of American people and backing up his defenders."

Rohrabacher, along with a slew of other lawmakers — including Rep. Ted Poe, R-Texas, have been pursuing last-ditch efforts to free Ramos and Compean. Petitions with more than 225,000 signatures were delivered to the White House Tuesday afternoon.

"We expect some response from the White House shortly but we have not received anything yet," Poe told FOX News on Wednesday, adding that people should call the White House switchboard to voice support for the two agents.

The White House already has received "a lot" of phone calls from Americans on the issue, he said.

About a dozen rallies took place across the country in support of the agents last week.

"Grassroots support for these gentlemen is just through the roof," said Grassfire.org spokesman Ron De Jong. He said people signing the petitions are saying to themselves, "'something just doesn't add up' and they're starting to make great waves."

"We are extremely hopeful that the light of justice will shine and this wrong will be right, because otherwise it would be an absolute travesty if these gentlemen had to go to jail for doing their jobs," De Jong added.

Compean and Ramos were convicted by a jury last March of violating the civil rights of Davila when they shot him on Feb. 17, 2005, in Fabens, Texas, about 30 miles east of El Paso, then tampering with evidence by picking up shell casings from the shooting.

The ex-agents say Davila had a gun, and that's why they fired at him, but a gun was never found.

In exchange for his testimony against the two agents, Davila was granted immunity from prosecution by the U.S. government for attempting to smuggle nearly 750 pounds of marijuana, which had a street value of more than $1 million, into the United States on the day he was shot. He was treated in a U.S. hospital and is now suing the federal government for $5 million, Poe said.

"It's just an absurd case," Poe said Wednesday. "There's something weird about our government being so interested in making sure these two border guards go to prison. We hope to get to the bottom of what this is all about."

Several lawmakers, including Poe; Rohrabacher; Walter Jones, R-N.C.; Tom Tancredo, R-Colo.; and Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., last week sent a letter to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales asking him to allow Ramos and Compean to remain free on bond pending the appeal of their convictions.

"The federal government was on the wrong side in this case. This drug dealer was not just bringing in a little bit of marijuana," Poe said. "Our federal government goes to Mexico, finds this drug dealer, gives him immunity ... they're [Ramos and Compean] being punished basically, for doing what they're supposed to do."

He added: "What better two people should be pardoned than border agents doing their jobs trying to protect the United States?"

Prosecutor: It Was a Cover-up

Last month, Bush issued 16 year-end pardons: Five cases involved drug crimes, while others involved bank fraud, mail fraud and the acceptance of a kickback.

In September 2005 the president pardoned 14 people, including a member of the mineworkers union who was convicted for his role in bombings at a West Virginia coal mine; a counterfeiter; several dealers of marijuana and LSD; and a bootlegger.

The president has pardoned 113 people since taking office in 2001.

White House spokesman Tony Snow last week would not comment specifically on pardon proceedings, but he said the facts presented in court showed that Ramos and Compean tried to cover up what occurred.

U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton issued a statement in response to allegations the agents were prosecuted for "just doing their job," saying "nothing could be further from the truth."

• Click here to read the prosecuting attorney's statement

"These agents shot someone who they knew to be unarmed and running away," Sutton said. "They destroyed evidence, covered up a crime scene and then filed false reports about what happened. It is shocking that there are people who believe it is OK for agents to shoot an unarmed suspect who is running away."

Sutton said that during the two-and-a-half-week trial, evidence showed that around 1 p.m. on Feb. 17, 2005, Davila initially ran from the agents, but tried to surrender with his empty hands raised after Compean pointed a shotgun at him. When Compean tried to push Davila to the ground with his gun, the agent tripped and fell. Davila then ran toward the Rio Grande River and Mexico. Compean chased Davila, firing at him with his pistol 14 times, pausing once to reload, Sutton said. Ramos shot once and struck Davila in the buttocks.

Neither agent made any further effort to apprehend him, Sutton said, and they threw away the fired shell casings and filed a false report omitting the confrontation.

"If Compean and Ramos truly believed Aldrete [Davila] was a threat, why did they abandon him after shooting him?" Sutton asked. "And if they truly believed the shooting was justified, why did they not report it, leave the scene undisturbed, and let the investigation absolve them? The answer to these questions are simple. The agents knew that Aldrete did not pose a threat as he fled, they knew the shooting was unjustified and unlawful, and they knew an investigation would incriminate them. So they chose to cover up their crimes."

Snow and Sutton have both pointed out that at the time Davila was originally pulled over, the agents didn't know he was an illegal alien, nor did they know he had over 700 pounds of marijuana in his truck. The agents also had arms training the day before the incident, so they knew what was required of them in the case of a shooting, they said.

"The facts of this case are such that I would invite everybody to take a full look at the documented record," Snow said. "This is not the case of the United States saying, 'We are not going to support people who go after drug dealers.' Of course, we are. We think it's incumbent to go after drug dealers, and we also think that it's vitally important to make sure that we provide border security so our people are secure.

"We also believe that the people who are working to secure that border themselves obey the law."

Compean, a married man with three children ages 12, 2 and 4 months — all of whom have been living with relatives since the incident — told FOXNews.com he's not worried so much about whether he will get the pardon but what will happen to his family when he's gone.

Compean said Border Patrol agents are trained when to use their weapons, and firing their weapons was warranted in this case.

"That's what we're trained to do — we see somebody armed — they're obviously not going to surrender, as what was stated in court, that he was trying to surrender and he was simply trying to get home. That wasn't the case," he said. "A lot of the other agents coming in now, they are afraid. They're afraid of drawing their weapons."[/quote]


So WHY should border patrol agents do their job?

1. Dude was an illegal alien crossing the border illegally.

2. He had a van full of weed valued at $1 million dollars (drug smuggler).

They really don't want to stop illegal immigration.
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[color=darkblue][b]I saw this was done as a Law & Order rerun last nite and haylz naw they don't wanna stop illegal immigration. In fact, all this bending over backward for folks who are here illegally is rendering the word (illegal) null & void. Health benefits anyone?![/b][/color]
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And he still hauling weed across the border!

really.. what "War on Drugs" or "War for Drugs"



"Grassroots support for these gentlemen is just through the roof," said Grassfire.org spokesman Ron De Jong. He said people signing the petitions are saying to themselves, "[b]'something just doesn't add up' and they're starting to make great waves." [/b]

In exchange for his testimony against the two agents, Davila was granted immunity from prosecution by the U.S. government for attempting to smuggle nearly 750 pounds of marijuana, which had a street value of more than $1 million, into the United States on the day he was shot. [b]He was treated in a U.S. hospital and is now suing the federal government for $5 million, Poe said[/b]

[quote="US Attorney Sutton"]It is shocking that there are people who believe it is OK for agents to shoot an unarmed suspect who is running away." [/quote]
Yet when this happens in black communities, the police are just "following their training"
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[quote]So WHY should border patrol agents do their job?

1. Dude was an illegal alien crossing the border illegally.

2. He had a van full of weed valued at $1 million dollars (drug smuggler).

They really don't want to stop illegal immigration.[/quote]

You know you can't shoot an unarmed man in the back, unless it's a prison break. Laughing
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[quote="nyc_godfather"][quote="US Attorney Sutton"]It is shocking that there are people who believe it is OK for agents to shoot an unarmed suspect who is running away." [/quote]
Yet when this happens in black communities, the police are just "following their training"[/quote]

This shit is illegal in black communities too. If it wasn't, Al Sharpton wouldn't have a job. Laughing
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Ummm they didn't get got cuz they shot him, they got got cuz they covered that shit up and filed false evidence. Dumbasses. Not to mention they're hispanic, 'just us' ain't their cup. Methinks no presidential pardon is forthcoming UNTIL Bushie leaves in '08 - the kinda pardon that can't be challenged by Congress . . . along with Scooter Libby's pardon Laughing
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[quote="root"][quote="nyc_godfather"][quote="US Attorney Sutton"]It is shocking that there are people who believe it is OK for agents to shoot an unarmed suspect who is running away." [/quote]
Yet when this happens in black communities, the police are just "following their training"[/quote]

This shit is illegal in black communities too. If it wasn't, Al Sharpton wouldn't have a job. Laughing[/quote]

True, but how many officers have gotten a pass because they "thought" they saw a gun. How many blacks have been killed because the police "thought" the suspect, though fleeing, was armed.

Sure its illegal, but most officers get a suspension and are reassigned, usually to a different precinct.

IF this was a black dude, with a van full o'weed and was running away.. he wouldve been shot, and it wouldve been somehow justified.
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[quote="nyc_godfather"][quote="root"][quote="nyc_godfather"][quote="US Attorney Sutton"]It is shocking that there are people who believe it is OK for agents to shoot an unarmed suspect who is running away." [/quote]
Yet when this happens in black communities, the police are just "following their training"[/quote]

This shit is illegal in black communities too. If it wasn't, Al Sharpton wouldn't have a job. Laughing[/quote]

True, but how many officers have gotten a pass because they "thought" they saw a gun. How many blacks have been killed because the police "thought" the suspect, though fleeing, was armed.

Sure its illegal, [u]but most officers get a suspension and are reassigned[/u], usually to a different precinct.

IF this was a black dude, with a van full o'weed and was running away.. he wouldve been shot, and it wouldve been somehow justified.[/quote]

Kim.. nyc_godfather, you are trying to make a rule out of what is clearly an exception. For every questionable police action against blacks, there are millions of cases where law enforcement does things appropriately. This ain't Russia. Laughing
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[quote="root"][quote="nyc_godfather"][quote="root"][quote="nyc_godfather"][quote="US Attorney Sutton"]It is shocking that there are people who believe it is OK for agents to shoot an unarmed suspect who is running away." [/quote]
Yet when this happens in black communities, the police are just "following their training"[/quote]

This shit is illegal in black communities too. If it wasn't, Al Sharpton wouldn't have a job. Laughing[/quote]

True, but how many officers have gotten a pass because they "thought" they saw a gun. How many blacks have been killed because the police "thought" the suspect, though fleeing, was armed.

Sure its illegal, [u]but most officers get a suspension and are reassigned[/u], usually to a different precinct.

IF this was a black dude, with a van full o'weed and was running away.. he wouldve been shot, and it wouldve been somehow justified.[/quote]

Kim.. [b]nyc_godfather, you are trying to make a rule out of what is clearly an exception. For every questionable police action against blacks, there are millions of cases where law enforcement does things appropriately. This ain't Russia.[/b] Laughing[/quote]

Ok. [b]making a rule out of an exception [/b]- It has been my experience that many officers involved in shooting unrmed suspects are reassigned. It is [u]exceptional [/u]if they are actually fired.

[b]Every questionable police action against blacks, there are millions of cases where law enforcement does things appropriately.[/b]
Absolutely

[b]This ain't Russia[/b]
In Russia, no investigation of any kind would've been opened.

I do refer to these recent headlines


Accounts Differ In Shooting of Unarmed Man
[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/16/AR2007011601413.html[/url]

Deputy Fired, No Jail Time
[url]http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/local/states/florida/counties/broward_county/16515433.htm[/url]

Questions linger after unarmed man is killed
[url]http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/news/local/16462892.htm[/url]

Columbus settles with survivors in police shooting case
[url]http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/ap_newfullstory.asp?ID=86121[/url]

Suit filed over fatal police shooting
[url]http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/states/pennsylvania/counties/chester_county/16422754.htm[/url]

OAKLAND POLICE SHOOTING VICTIM REMAINS CRITICAL
[url]http://cbs5.com/localwire/localfsnews/bcn/2007/01/16/n/HeadlineNews/POLICE-SHOOTING/resources_bcn_html[/url]

A Tragedy of Errors (this one is great because of the official statement)
[b]As for the shooting, the report concludes that "based on the preponderance of the evidence," an "involuntary muscle contraction" caused Officer Bullock's finger to slip down to the trigger and fire the shot. Officer Bullock [shall] be suspended for 120 hours without pay and transferred out of the SWAT unit. [/b] [color=red]*EXCEPTION NOTED*[/color]
[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/19/AR2007011901464.html[/url]
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[quote]Accounts Differ In Shooting of Unarmed Man
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/16/AR2007011601413.html [/quote]

[i]- The driver gave a false name, and the vehicle didn't check out as registered
- At some point, the man -- identified by police as Robert L. Commodore, 25, of Lusby -- ran away, even after Windsor yelled at him to stop
- The sheriff's office said Commodore's wound was toward his side and armpit, suggesting that he was turning when he was hit.[/i]

I don't know how you shoot someone in the arm pit if they are running away.

[quote]Deputy Fired, No Jail Time
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/local/states/florida/counties/broward_county/16515433.htm [/quote]

This cop was fired and still facing trial. This is hardly a case of suspension and reassignment.

[quote]Questions linger after unarmed man is killed
http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/news/local/16462892.htm [/quote]

Police were getting shot at by ppl. Why did the victim come out of the friend's house? He didn't hear the shooting or the police sirens? WTF?!?!?!?!?

[quote]Columbus settles with survivors in police shooting case
http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/ap_newfullstory.asp?ID=86121 [/quote]

This happened in Georgia. Unless you live in ATL, yo black azz shouldn't be living in Georgia (Delta). Laughing

Besdies that, this article didn't even explain what happened. It's more about the settlement than the shooting.

[quote]Suit filed over fatal police shooting
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/states/pennsylvania/counties/chester_county/16422754.htm [/quote]

[i]- Police dispatch notified patrol officers that Pelzer was on the run, and Burton responded and followed Pelzer into an alley.
- Police claimed Burton ordered Pelzer to show his hands. Instead, according to police at the time, he appeared to reach for a handgun, and told the officer, "Do it."
- Police said Pelzer instead was reaching for a cell phone, though that has been disputed.[/i]

YOU DONT REACH FOR ANYTHING IN FRONT OF A COP!!! IF YOU RUN AND CANT GET AWAY, YOU PUT YOUR HANDS BEHIND YOUR HEAD AND GET ON YOUR KNEES. BETTER YET, LAY ON THE GROUND FACE DOWN!!!! Also, you can't shoot a fleeing suspect in the chest.

[quote]OAKLAND POLICE SHOOTING VICTIM REMAINS CRITICAL
http://cbs5.com/localwire/localfsnews/bcn/2007/01/16/n/HeadlineNews/POLICE-SHOOTING/resources_bcn_html [/quote]

This article tells you what happened only one day before it was written. It doesn't say why the cops said they fired. It doesn't say if the cops will be fired or charged. Why? [b]Because the article was publiched one fricken day after the incident![/b]

[quote]A Tragedy of Errors (this one is great because of the official statement)
As for the shooting, the report concludes that "based on the preponderance of the evidence," an "involuntary muscle contraction" caused Officer Bullock's finger to slip down to the trigger and fire the shot. Officer Bullock [shall] be suspended for 120 hours without pay and transferred out of the SWAT unit. *EXCEPTION NOTED*
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/19/AR2007011901464.html[/quote]

[i]- The Justice Department's Civil Rights Division has yet to release any results of its inquiry. So the case is not closed, nor should it be. Public confidence in the justice system still hangs in the balance.[/i]

Still pending.
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Iowa deputy acquitted of manslaughter after shooting unarmed driver
[url]http://www.courttv.com/trials/butler/061705_verdict_ctv.html[/url]

Officers acquitted of all charges in Diallo shooting
http://www.courttv.com/archive/national/diallo/022500_verdict_ctv.html

Officer Acquitted in Ohio Shooting
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2001/09/10843_comment.php

Jurors Acquit California Narc Who Killed Rudy Cardenas in Mistaken Chase
[url]http://november.org/stayinfo/breaking3/CardenasAcquit.html[/url]

Caught in the Act!
[url]http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/01/national/main1271571.shtml[/url]

Cop acquitted in killing of unarmed potato carrier
[url]http://www.unknownnews.org/050503stinkybadges.html[/url]

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[quote]Iowa deputy acquitted of manslaughter after shooting unarmed driver
[url]http://www.courttv.com/trials/butler/061705_verdict_ctv.html[/url][/quote]

Another case of "if u run from the cops and can't get away, give yourself up. Don't fumble around in front of a man with a gun." Also, the jury saw the cop car video and acquitted him. Case closed.

[quote]Officers acquitted of all charges in Diallo shooting
http://www.courttv.com/archive/national/diallo/022500_verdict_ctv.html[/quote]

[i]- Carroll, McMellon, Boss and Murphy all claimed on the stand that the lighting around the
vestibule was dim and they thought Diallo was reaching for a gun when they opened fire.[/i]

Another case of "Don't fumble around in front of a men with guns."

[quote]Officer Acquitted in Ohio Shooting
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2001/09/10843_comment.php[/quote]

[i]``Thomas' actions in running from numerous police and not following police orders ... was
unfortunate,'' the judge said. He added that Roach's record was unblemished, while Thomas'
was not, and noted that Thomas failed to respond to an order to show his hands. [/i]

Another case of "Don't fumble around in front of men with guns."

[quote]Jurors Acquit California Narc Who Killed Rudy Cardenas in Mistaken Chase
[url]http://november.org/stayinfo/breaking3/CardenasAcquit.html[/url][/quote]

This might be your exception case but I have to wonder why the guy was running.

[quote]Caught in the Act!
[url]http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/01/national/main1271571.shtml[/url][/quote]

Still under investigation.

[quote]Cop acquitted in killing of unarmed potato carrier
[url]http://www.unknownnews.org/050503stinkybadges.html[/url][/quote]

The victim got out of the car during a cop stop and reached into the window for something. Another case of "Don't fumble around in front of a man with a gun."




So what have we learned today, children?

1. Don't fumble around in front of men with guns.
2. If you run from cops, you increase your chances of getting shot.
3. If you do run and get cornered, put your hands on your head slowly and lay down face on the ground. Don't resist.
4. Jury's acquit cops if the cops say the perp they were chasing, or had cornered, "was reaching for what looked like a gun".

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[quote="root"][quote]Iowa deputy acquitted of manslaughter after shooting unarmed driver
[url]http://www.courttv.com/trials/butler/061705_verdict_ctv.html[/url][/quote]

Another case of "if u run from the cops and can't get away, give yourself up. Don't fumble around in front of a man with a gun." Also, the jury saw the cop car video and acquitted him. Case closed.

[quote]Officers acquitted of all charges in Diallo shooting
http://www.courttv.com/archive/national/diallo/022500_verdict_ctv.html[/quote]

[i]- Carroll, McMellon, Boss and Murphy all claimed on the stand that the lighting around the
vestibule was dim and they thought Diallo was reaching for a gun when they opened fire.[/i]

Another case of "Don't fumble around in front of a men with guns."

[quote]Officer Acquitted in Ohio Shooting
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2001/09/10843_comment.php[/quote]

[i]``Thomas' actions in running from numerous police and not following police orders ... was
unfortunate,'' the judge said. He added that Roach's record was unblemished, while Thomas'
was not, and noted that Thomas failed to respond to an order to show his hands. [/i]

Another case of "Don't fumble around in front of men with guns."

[quote]Jurors Acquit California Narc Who Killed Rudy Cardenas in Mistaken Chase
[url]http://november.org/stayinfo/breaking3/CardenasAcquit.html[/url][/quote]

This might be your exception case but I have to wonder why the guy was running.

[quote]Caught in the Act!
[url]http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/01/national/main1271571.shtml[/url][/quote]

Still under investigation.

[quote]Cop acquitted in killing of unarmed potato carrier
[url]http://www.unknownnews.org/050503stinkybadges.html[/url][/quote]

The victim got out of the car during a cop stop and reached into the window for something. Another case of "Don't fumble around in front of a man with a gun."




So what have we learned today, children?

1. Don't fumble around in front of men with guns.
2. If you run from cops, you increase your chances of getting shot.
3. If you do run and get cornered, put your hands on your head slowly and lay down face on the ground. Don't resist.
4. Jury's acquit cops if the cops say the perp they were chasing, or had cornered, "was reaching for what looked like a gun".

Razz[/quote]

Thanks root, you've proven my point. That acquitals are the generally the rule, not the exception

as the former border agent said: ""That's what we're trained to do — we see somebody armed — they're obviously not going to surrender, as what was stated in court, that he was trying to surrender and he was simply trying to get home. That wasn't the case," he said. "A lot of the other agents coming in now, they are afraid. They're afraid of drawing their weapons."

Again. police shoot unarmed fleeing suspects, and more often than not, will get a pass. This incident with the Border Agents and there subsequent prison sentence is the exception. Sure one shouldnt perp like they have a weapon either. Oh yeah, I didnt post the one about the suspect in handcuffs being shot and killed.

As for the CBS link, did you watch the video? He told dude to get up, then shot him in the back several times. Suspect was neither fleeing or armed. Nor was there a prison break.

[b]Shooting Video[/b]
[url]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8027854162700568157&q=police+shooting+unarmed&hl=en[/url]
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[quote]Thanks root, you've proven my point. That acquitals are the generally the rule, not the exception[/quote]

Actually, your original point was "most officers get a suspension and are reassigned, usually to a different precinct". To the contrary, you and I proved via these links that rarely does someone unarmed and fully cooperating gets shot.

People fleeing aren't 0% dangerous. It just means that if cops shoot them, there will be more of an investigation and even charges.

People fumbling around while guns are pointed to them are definitely dangerous. These ppl ask to get shot.

I think we are asking too much of cops to wait for a gun to be pointed at them before they act. Also, I bet $50 there isn't one thread on AO expressing anger over a black perp shooting a white cop.
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[quote="root"][quote]Thanks root, you've proven my point. That acquitals are the generally the rule, not the exception[/quote]

Actually, your original point was "most officers get a suspension and are reassigned, usually to a different precinct". To the contrary, you and I proved via these links that rarely does someone unarmed and fully cooperating gets shot.

People fleeing aren't 0% dangerous. It just means that if cops shoot them, there will be more of an investigation and even charges.

People fumbling around while guns are pointed to them are definitely dangerous. These ppl ask to get shot.

I think we are asking too much of cops to wait for a gun to be pointed at them before they act. Also, I bet $50 there isn't one thread on AO expressing anger over a black perp shooting a white cop.[/quote]

No my original point "was but how many officers have gotten a pass because they "thought" they saw a gun. How many blacks have been killed because the police "thought" the suspect, though [b][size=18]fleeing[/size],[/b] was armed."

Isn't it obvious that someone who's [size=18]fleeing[/size] isn't cooperating?

[b]"To the contrary, you and I proved via these links that rarely does someone unarmed and fully cooperating gets shot." [/b]
Was never my point to begin with, something you interjected


[b]"These ppl ask to get shot."[/b]
A guy laying on the ground following police orders deserves to get shot?
A guy standing in his doorway, in full view, unarmed, deserves to get shot? The reason given is "opps my finger slipped?"

Bruh.. take those rose-colored glasses off
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[quote]No my original point "was but how many officers have gotten a pass because they "thought" they saw a gun. How many blacks have been killed because the police "thought" the suspect, though fleeing, was armed." [/quote]

I can't tell you how many. You can't tell me how many. Here, however, is a summary of the links you posted:

1 Shoot in the arm pit, not in the back, while fleeing.
1 Cop fired and still facing charges. No "pass" given.
1 Victim is running down dark alley in the middle of fire fight between cops and bad guys. Victim apparently didnt hear gun shots or sirens before going outside.
1 Details about shooting not in the article.
5 Perp fumbles in front of cops with guns pointed at him.
2 Conclusion pending.
1 Shot in back while fleeing.
0 Links to blacks shooting white cops.

Only 1 out of 12 cases you posted had a guy shot in the back while fleeing and the cop got a "pass". Thus, your own links do not support "your original point".

Hope this helps.
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[quote="root"][quote]No my original point "was but how many officers have gotten a pass because they "thought" they saw a gun. How many blacks have been killed because the police "thought" the suspect, though fleeing, was armed." [/quote]

I can't tell you how many. You can't tell me how many. Here, however, is a summary of the links you posted:

1 Shoot in the arm pit, not in the back, while fleeing.
[b]The deputy's bullet entered his body below, and slightly behind, his right armpit (Not in the armpit). But anyway a Calvert County grand jury cleared the Calvert sheriff's deputy of criminal wrongdoing yesterday in the recent shooting of an unarmed motorist who was [u]fleeing [/u]from him. Pass[/b]

1 Cop fired and still facing charges. No "pass" given.
[b]Fired because he lied about how his patrol car was smashed, not because of the shooting, until the car crash he was apparently still on active duty. PASS. Deputy Lewis Perry told investigators that his gun [u]accidentally discharged[/u] while attempting to restrain Gómez. [u]Perry was fired in December after an investigation into an unrelated matter[/u][/b]
[url]http://www.lawyershop.com/news/2005/09/07/worker-shot-by-broward-sheriff-sues-for-15-million/[/url]

1 Victim is running down dark alley in the middle of fire fight between cops and bad guys. Victim apparently didnt hear gun shots or sirens before going outside.
Im sure he heard gunshots everywhere, New Years Eve in Philly, damn near any fool with a gun is popping rounds in the air. Poor judgement on the victims part, yes, but still running AWAY from, not to, the officer.

1 Details about shooting not in the article.
[b]Warren Beaulah was driving the SUV in which 39-year-old Kenneth Walker was riding on Interstate 185 at around 9 o'clock Wednesday night. According to Beaulah, he and his passengers were doing nothing wrong when he observed blue lights in the rear view mirror. He pulled over to the side of the road and was in the process of putting the car in park when, he says, a law enforcement officer pulled open his door and dragged him from the vehicle. "I was snatched out of the car with an automatic weapon in my face," he told News Leader 9's Elizabeth White, "(and) drug to the ground." Five to ten seconds later, Beaulah says he heard a single gunshot. At the time the shot was fired, he says, there was "lots of screaming and yelling." A short time later, as he was led in handcuffs around the front of the vehicle, Beaulah says he saw his friend, 39-year-old Kenneth Walker, lying on the ground in a partial fetal position and saw a pool of blood. The Muscogee County Sheriff's Department has confirmed that Walker was unarmed at the time of the incident and blames the fatal incident on [url]faulty information [/url]from an informant in a drug case.[/b] Compliance yet unarmed, not even a suspect, killed. Settlement out of court


5 Perp fumbles in front of cops with guns pointed at him. [b]Suspects UNARMED[/b]

1 Conclusion pending.
[b]Fairfax case from Washington Post: As for the shooting, the report [u]concludes [/u]that "based on the preponderance of the evidence," an "involuntary muscle contraction" caused Officer Bullock's finger to slip down to the trigger and fire the shot. Officer Bullock [shall] be suspended for 120 hours without pay and transferred out of the SWAT unit. The chief prosecutor in Fairfax, Robert F. Horan Jr. -- who has never prosecuted a police officer for wrongfully shooting a citizen -- remained true to the force, swiftly declining to prosecute Officer Bullock or even to refer the case to a grand jury [/b] The county has concluded the investigation and the officer has been reassigned, [b]PASS[/b] The DOJ is running a separate investigation, but for now, the officer remains on duty with a loose trigger finger. Suspect was compliant and was killed anyway

1 Shot in back while fleeing.

0 Links to blacks shooting white cops. [b]Separate topic, open a new thread[/b]

.[/quote]

BTW... Did you watch the traffic stop video with the suspect on ground? Compliant and got shot anyway. Three times!!!
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[quote="nyc_godfather"][quote="root"][quote]No my original point "was but how many officers have gotten a pass because they "thought" they saw a gun. How many blacks have been killed because the police "thought" the suspect, though fleeing, was armed." [/quote]

I can't tell you how many. You can't tell me how many. Here, however, is a summary of the links you posted:

1 Shoot in the arm pit, not in the back, while fleeing.
[b]The deputy's bullet entered his body below, and slightly behind, his right armpit (Not in the armpit). But anyway a Calvert County grand jury cleared the Calvert sheriff's deputy of criminal wrongdoing yesterday in the recent shooting of an unarmed motorist who was [u]fleeing [/u]from him. Pass[/b]

[color=red]No Pass. The exact quote from the article was that the "wound was [u]toward his side[/u] and armpit", not on his back.[/color]

1 Cop fired and still facing charges. No "pass" given.
[b]Fired because he lied about how his patrol car was smashed, not because of the shooting, until the car crash he was apparently still on active duty. PASS. Deputy Lewis Perry told investigators that his gun [u]accidentally discharged[/u] while attempting to restrain Gómez. [u]Perry was fired in December after an investigation into an unrelated matter[/u][/b]
[url]http://www.lawyershop.com/news/2005/09/07/worker-shot-by-broward-sheriff-sues-for-15-million/[/url]

[color=red]The article doesn't even dispute that the gun [u]accidentally discharged[/u]. Thus, the cop didnt pull the trigger trying to shoot someone in the back, which is your original point. [b]Also, the victim wasn't even black!!!![/b] No pass required. Cool [/color]

1 Victim is running down dark alley in the middle of fire fight between cops and bad guys. Victim apparently didnt hear gun shots or sirens before going outside.
Im sure he heard gunshots everywhere, New Years Eve in Philly, damn near any fool with a gun is popping rounds in the air. Poor judgement on the victims part, yes, but still running AWAY from, not to, the officer.

[color=red]You go outside when ppl are shooting, chances are u catch a bullet. No pass required.[/color]

1 Details about shooting not in the article.
[b]Warren Beaulah was driving the SUV in which 39-year-old Kenneth Walker was riding on Interstate 185 at around 9 o'clock Wednesday night. According to Beaulah, he and his passengers were doing nothing wrong when he observed blue lights in the rear view mirror. He pulled over to the side of the road and was in the process of putting the car in park when, he says, a law enforcement officer pulled open his door and dragged him from the vehicle. "I was snatched out of the car with an automatic weapon in my face," he told News Leader 9's Elizabeth White, "(and) drug to the ground." Five to ten seconds later, Beaulah says he heard a single gunshot. At the time the shot was fired, he says, there was "lots of screaming and yelling." A short time later, as he was led in handcuffs around the front of the vehicle, Beaulah says he saw his friend, 39-year-old Kenneth Walker, lying on the ground in a partial fetal position and saw a pool of blood. The Muscogee County Sheriff's Department has confirmed that Walker was unarmed at the time of the incident and blames the fatal incident on [url]faulty information [/url]from an informant in a drug case.[/b] Compliance yet unarmed, not even a suspect, killed. Settlement out of court

[color=red]This content wasn't in the link provided. You have a link?[/color]

5 Perp fumbles in front of cops with guns pointed at him. [b]Suspects UNARMED[/b]

[color=red]Doesn't matter. You don't fumble in front of cops with guns pointed at you. That's an automatic pass.[/color]

1 Conclusion pending.
[b]Fairfax case from Washington Post: As for the shooting, the report [u]concludes [/u]that "based on the preponderance of the evidence," an "involuntary muscle contraction" caused Officer Bullock's finger to slip down to the trigger and fire the shot. Officer Bullock [shall] be suspended for 120 hours without pay and transferred out of the SWAT unit. The chief prosecutor in Fairfax, Robert F. Horan Jr. -- who has never prosecuted a police officer for wrongfully shooting a citizen -- remained true to the force, swiftly declining to prosecute Officer Bullock or even to refer the case to a grand jury [/b] The county has concluded the investigation and the officer has been reassigned, [b]PASS[/b] The DOJ is running a separate investigation, but for now, the officer remains on duty with a loose trigger finger. Suspect was compliant and was killed anyway

[color=red]This didn't make it to court. The prosecutor "declined to prosecute Officer Bullock or even to refer the case to a grand jury". That's why the DoJ is involved. Also, are you saying that "Salvatore J. Culosi" is black? Yahoo image search on "Salvatore" yields pics of non-blacks. Laughing Cool

http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=Salvatore+&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8
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1 Shot in back while fleeing.

0 Links to blacks shooting white cops. [b]Separate topic, open a new thread[/b]

[color=red]Start this thread for who? Me and the crickets? Laughing [/color]
.[/quote]

BTW... Did you watch the traffic stop video with the suspect on ground? Compliant and got shot anyway. Three times!!!

[color=red]Sorry, which link was that? I'll watch it.[/color][/quote]
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Btw, you were doing well until you tried to sneak a mexican and some dude named Salvatore by me. Laughing What's next?

[quote="nyc_godfather"]More Blacks being shoot by cops : Rolling Eyes
[i]Medical Student Parabatlal Kanhaiyalal Dubey was shoot by Lynchanizzlefoshizzle County Police yesterday while trying the reach for a bean burrito in his back pocket.[/i][/quote]
Laughing

Good thread tho.
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