Scandal

21 Nov 2002

[quote="ingenue"]I like the second episode better than the first. Definitely.[/quote]

What did you not like about the 1st one?

04 Apr 2005

I didn't like the schizophrenic nature of her character. We came in thinking she was this bad ass... she talks about trusting her gut...

She ended up in an emotional heap and her gut was all wrong.

The second episode showed a more 'cohesive' blending of her emotions.

I don't like being introduced to a character as if she's one thing... and she behaves for much of the performance as something contrary to that. When Columbus hires the new girl... he sets us up to believe that THE OLIVIA POPE does not allow anything... no crying... nothing.

So what does this heffa do?

Cry.

Rolling Eyes

And then the mess with 'my gut is always right'...

And she was DEAD wrong.

Coming out the gate (first show), it was retarded to me. Set her up to have her gut always be right... then have her end up WAY OFF BASE (and create a big fat mess) closer to the season finale.

The first show read totally schizophrenic to me.

04 Apr 2005

The problem is, since she was so totally backwards ridiculously wrong in the first show...

[b]I[/b] don't trust her gut now. So I really don't care what she has to say about her clients when she's making a decision about them. I realized that in the second show when she was talking about the Supreme Court dude...

I was like: "Well, who cares what you think? Your gut is all over the place."

Laughing

16 Jan 2002

That's the point, I think. She gives people she impression that she is on the ball and a real problem-solver, but inside she's a mess and she actually makes up things as the goes along.

04 Apr 2005

[i]*shrugging*[/i]

I'm not a fan of the way they're fleshing out her character. She seems weak and confused (in reality) to me... and I thought the point was that she wasn't (regardless of her game face for clients). That's why she's so trusted/powerful/expensive blah blah blah.

If I'm a client, I should (rightfully) be really stressed out about her handling my case.

10 Dec 2004

thanx peeps....you all watch so I don't have to.... Razz

21 Nov 2002

[quote="ingenue"]I didn't like the schizophrenic nature of her character. We came in thinking she was this bad ass... she talks about trusting her gut...

She ended up in an emotional heap and her gut was all wrong.[/quote]

She was an emotional heap and her gut wasn't really wrong because she questioned him twice before she found out the truth...she wanted to believe he loved her but chose the WH and his family because she/he wanted to be a 'better' man.

Her gut is however never wrong when it comes to her clients...it's just misguided/clouded/blinded when it comes to love...the one spot she's most vulnerable

[quote]The second episode showed a more 'cohesive' blending of her emotions.[/quote]

I can see this.

[quote]I don't like being introduced to a character as if she's one thing... and she behaves for much of the performance as something contrary to that. When Columbus hires the new girl... he sets us up to believe that THE OLIVIA POPE does not allow anything... no crying... nothing.

So what does this heffa do?

Cry.

Rolling Eyes

[/quote]

Yes she cried, that's the part of her character I love most, she's vulnerable, but she doesn't allow her vulnerability to show at her job and she doesn't allow her team to show their vulnerabilities either....Olivia Pope doesn't allow crying...yeah about her job, about her clients....not her personal life. Why should she not show emotions about the man she loves? And remember she did have some reservations about him from the beginning, she just didn't "want" to yield to her true gut feeling about the situation...she knew, she didn't want it to be true.

[quote]And then the mess with 'my gut is always right'...

And she was DEAD wrong.

Coming out the gate (first show), it was retarded to me. Set her up to have her gut always be right... then have her end up WAY OFF BASE (and create a big fat mess) closer to the season finale.

The first show read totally schizophrenic to me.[/quote]

They set it up for you to trust her gut but to see her gut is not flawed but emotionally vulnerable...yeah I'm using that word in overkill Laughing

...I thought the whole 1st episode was awesome... because of it I wanted to see the 2nd.

04 Apr 2005

[quote="delta84"]

[quote]And then the mess with 'my gut is always right'...

And she was DEAD wrong.

Coming out the gate (first show), it was retarded to me. Set her up to have her gut always be right... then have her end up WAY OFF BASE (and create a big fat mess) closer to the season finale.

The first show read totally schizophrenic to me.[/quote]

[b]They set it up for you to trust her gut but to see her gut is not flawed but emotionally vulnerable[/b]...yeah I'm using that word in overkill Laughing

...I thought the whole 1st episode was awesome... because of it I wanted to see the 2nd.[/quote]

That's a contradiction, and that's exactly what I'm talking about. Your 'gut' is technically your emotion. Not your brain. It's your emotional center... the truest part of you... and hers is WAY unstable. They didn't set ANYTHING up. Everything that they stated in the first 5 minutes about her, was blown apart in the rest of the show within the hour.

It's a series, not movie (meaning there's more to come beyond that first episode). And unless it's a parody, this makes no sense. Why should I trust her? It looks like she doesn't know what the hell she's doing... EVER. She seems to 'fall into success' with her cases. The fact that she's so well connected and allegedly powerful reads as false, unless the whole thing is a joke that we haven't yet been let in on.

04 Apr 2005

Now her team, on the other hand, is flawless. Bat shit crazy, but flawless. I get more of a kick watching them.

04 Apr 2005

I think they need to insulate her more. She's the star on the top of the tree... we should be let in in SLIVERS... not big ass chunks.

That's why I don't trust her. I know more about her messiness in the first two episodes, and I shouldn't.

21 Nov 2002

Well don't give up on it yet, it may take a turn for the better....and I love the redhead!! Laughing

17 Jan 2002

[color=darkred]Gat damn nue...[i]really[/i]? Laughing

The character seems more male to me. She knows her shit, her game is tight, and she should trust her gut because her gut is solid. but "something else" in her is not, which makes her vulnerable. I think the problem is that you can't seem to accept that in a [i]woman[/i]. Laughing

Men however, thrive on being able to compartmentalize like that...but shit comes back to bite us because we like playing were we win, and we ignore disturbing little details. Just like she did, until she [i]decided [/i]she couldn't anymore.

But she has no emotional investment in her clients, except one, and she loves to crush the US Attorney from [i]The West Wing[/i], which to me makes her vulnerability when it comes to her "thing" irrelevant. So when she does her Kobe Bryant, it's totally believable.[/color]

16 Jan 2002

I'm expecting her to f up real badly before the season ends. Someone might even die on her watch.

04 Apr 2005

[quote="delta84"]Well don't give up on it yet, it may take a turn for the better....and [b]I love the redhead[/b]!! Laughing

[/quote]

She's crazy as HELL. Laughing

I like them all... they all have specific quirks and are all just a little bit nuts. I guess you have to be to work with Olivia Pope. Laughing

04 Apr 2005

[quote="mack"]I'm expecting her to f up real badly before the season ends. [b]Someone might even die on her watch[/b].[/quote]

See, that's what I'm thinking. Because that woman... whew. She just DOES things, and it magically shakes out in the end.

04 Apr 2005

[quote="MrHardcandy"][color=darkred]Gat damn nue...[i]really[/i]? Laughing

[/color][/quote]

What? Laughing

I'm hard on everyone. She's not immune. I know they can do better, and I want them to do better. She's a stellar character... and she ought to be fleshed out in a more cohesive fashion.

17 Jan 2002

Why can't she be vulnerable though? Even the strongest person fucks up or has insecurities.

04 Apr 2005

I never said she couldn't be vulnerable. I said she was a MESS. She is.

17 Jan 2002

[color=darkred]that's what I'm saying...it's like nue is saying that bravado is not an element of badass effectiveness. Like I said, I can buy the package, because that's what a lot of [b]guys [/b]do...half of winning is intimidating the opposition into believing that he or she [i]can't[/i], the other half is [i]guessing [/i]right. [/color] Laughing

04 Apr 2005

[quote="MrHardcandy"][color=darkred]that's what I'm saying...it's like nue is saying that bravado is not an element of badass effectiveness. Like I said, I can buy the package, because that's what a lot of [b]guys [/b]do...half of winning is intimidating the opposition into believing that he or she [i]can't[/i], the other half is [i]guessing [/i]right. [/color] Laughing

[/quote]

That's NOT what I was saying at all.

This is what I said:

[quote]I think they need to insulate her more. She's the star on the top of the tree... [b]we should be let in in SLIVERS... not big ass chunks.
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That's why I don't trust her. I know more about her messiness in the first two episodes, and I shouldn't.[/quote]

I don't like the way the CHARACTER IS BEING FLESHED OUT. All I'm asking for is pacing. As I would WITH ANY SHOW. They paced Grey's Anatomy just fine. Private Practice was a mess... but it's just a stupid show so whatever there. There's no reason this show can't be paced too.

I realize that you think she... and by design the show... is perfect.

Sheesh.

Nevermind. This is why we get mediocre shit and it gets CANCELLED because no one but us is watching out of loyalty to our folks. Same thing happened with the Boris Kodjoe series.